Thursday, January 27, 2011

What should have been said theatre: Joel Osteen interviewed by Piers Morgan (homosexuality)


Well once more Joel Osteen has been on TV and once more he's left a nasty taste in the mouth of all those who are truly born again believers and at the same time angered the LGBT community.  The crazy thing, is that during the interview I found myself torn.  On the one hand I applaud Piers Morgan for doing what other interviewers have yet been unable to do and that is to get Joel to actually mutter the word 'sin'.  Good on ya.  Further I, with Mr. Morgan, wanted desperately for Joel to just be clear.  Get deeper into what he actually believes and just be clear.

Now, on the other hand... I agreed with some of what Joel said.  Emphasis on the word SOME.  Let's pick this apart discerningly with the goal of helping believers and homosexuals alike better understand the issue... and hopefully in the process we can clear up the mess Joel made and complete his statements RIGHTLY!

Is homosexuality a sin? Yes.  It is not the created order of God.  It is the product of a fallen world, with fallen people, who act on their fallen sinful nature.  Further, it is harmoniously condemned in the Old Testament and the New Testament.

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:26–27 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

1 Timothy 1:9–10 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 for fornicators, for sodomites, for kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine,

On that point, that homosexuality is a sin, I completely agree with Joel.  His next statement was that the church, however, picks certain issues and sins to bash on.  I agree with him on this as well.  Some so-called Christians do this and it is wrong.  It is not right to isolate one sin and label it as worse than others.  All sin is sin and all sin is damning.

Those churches that focus on hatefulness towards one issue or another are in error, and need to be called to repentance themselves.

Joel then says that homosexuality "isn't God's best".  God's best?  No, homosexuality is sin... it isn't so simple and trite as it not being God's best... no sin is God's best.  The issue with sin isn't the fact that it isn't "God's best"  The issue is the consequences due to us all for sin... 

He goes on to say that sin means to "miss the mark".  Actually, according to Romans 3:23, sin means to fall short of God's glory.  Romans 3:23 - 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

We have to look at two key things in this verse from the Greek.  The Greek phrase ‘fall short’ is hustereo (  It means ‘to lack’, ‘to fail to reach the mark in obtaining something’.  Now, the Greek word for glory is doxa (dox.ah).  It refers to the magnificence and splendor that belongs only to God.  The Kingly majesty that belongs only to Christ.

Now put that all together and we can best understand this part of our text this morning that our falling short of God’s Glory isn’t just some small shortcoming.  It isn’t as though we were close to perfect but missed the mark just a tad.  Oh no, it is much worse than that.

We lack completely and totally the requirements needed to even stand before God, let alone be innocent before Him.  That’s the severity.  THAT'S what sin is!

Joel is still failing to preach the Biblical Gospel.  I would submit to you that Joel is not loving for neglecting to preach the full Biblical Gospel, he is a cruel individual for it.  It was wicked of Joel to label homosexuality a sin and then not explain sin better and then not explain Jesus and forgiveness of sin.

God did NOT tell us to judge people's salvation.  But we are to clearly define what sin is according to what God's Word says.  We are to clearly define sin and what the implications of sin are and show everyone... everyone, not just the homosexual, but everyone that the God's perfect standard (His Law: Exodus 20).  Reveals their sin to them and declares that they will be held accountable for it!  Hebrews 9:27 - It is appointed a man once to die and then the judgment.

At mark 3:31 Joel comes the closest he's ever been to the Biblical Gospel, although still far short.  What he should have said to Piers is that it isn't just that the homosexual is a sinner, it is that WE ALL ARE!  We are all sinners and every last one of us is going to stand before a Holy God in judgment and we will either be punished for our sins or we will enter into Heaven having had our sins forgiven and paid for in this life by Jesus Christ and His blood shed on the cross!

The homosexual or the liar or the thief or the murderer or any other person isn't going to hell just because of one issue... they are going to hell because of ALL their sin... 

James 2:10 - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Then , at mark 3:52, Piers asks Joel... what would you say to a homosexual if they were there right then.

Joel says "I don't know that I understand it all"

What might have been a better answer that actually spoke to the Scriptures he is claiming to live by so much?
How about, 'Piers, what I would have said is that homosexuality is a sin just like all other sin.  And the Bible says in Romans 6:23 that the wages of sin is death.  I would plead with my homosexual friend and tell them that they are going to die one day just like every other person ever born.  And on that day they will stand before God accountable for their sin.  And any "good" or "nice" things they did on this earth won't be what He judges them by, it will be by His perfect standard.  His Law... and since they've broken His law just like everyone else, they will be guilty.  And God, being a good and Holy Just God MUST punish them and send them to Hell where their sins have put them.  But that God being rich in mercy and great in LOVE sent Jesus Christ to redeem them from the curse of the Law.  That while they were yet dead in their sins, Christ died for the ungodly so that if they will repent.  He will be faithful and good to forgive them.  Not because they are a person who deserves forgiveness because none of us do.  But because He is a good God who has done an amazing thing in Jesus Christ.'

Then, if I were Joel, I would have just said that I would plead with that homosexual or with Piers or any other sinner to give sober thought to the Word of God and consider their sin... and when the weight of their sin became real to them so much so that they realize they have offended and transgressed against the God who gave them life, to flee from that sin and throw themselves on His mercy for forgiveness and He will forgive.  John 3:16 - For God so loved the world that He sent His Only Begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have everlasting life. 

What a fantastic promise made by God, that all those who call upon His Name, with a repentant heart, shall be saved!

That concludes this episode of "What should have been said theatre."

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